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Jul 26th, 2009 at 7:51am
 
Airport Access at a public airport is a pet peeve of mine.

I put up with it when we were considered ultralights knowing it was not really legal to refuse us. I used to give the airport the benefit of doubt understanding that a lot of guys flying ultralights didn't know airport rules and procedures. But now that I was sucked into the light sport arena and had to LEARN all the rules and prove that I knew them through tests and checkrides I no longer give the benefit of doubt. When I tell them I am a sport pilot and I fly a registered aircraft I expect to be treated as they would any other aircraft. I expect them to know the rules and not tell me stories of how a ultralight gave them problems in the past (I usually take this time to remind them again that I am not an ultralight).
Now having said all this, it is still far easier getting your way by being polite with a sense of humor. A smile and a handshake along with some knowledge of their airport and a list of your credentials will go a long way in getting permission. But, I have had to be firm on occasion when I ran into managers who want to stonewall you because of their inability to change.
EAA has a book you may want to buy that explains the in's and outs of public airports. It is a very valuable thing to have and I have even showed it to managers that were adament about not allowing me access.

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Reply #1 - Jul 26th, 2009 at 9:20am
 
Airport access will continue to be an issue for "ultralight type" aircraft, especially when you aircraft is not based at that particular airport. With all the new security measures airport managers are reluctant to allow you to bring your aircraft onto the airport grounds when you want. Is that illegal? Not really. They are not preventing you from using the airport, they are just creating obstacles to gain access when you want. A situation I ran into is that airport personnel are not available to open a gate for me to trailer in, plus they have no authorized parking spots for me inside the gate. The airport rules state that a gate key is only issued to airport personnel and hanger renters. Since I am neither, I don't qualify. That is not in violation of the FAA rules, but in my book pretty darn close. But, if I rent a hanger, my problems are resolved.

So, I fly elsewhere and do touch-n-goes on the field, that appears to piss off the airport manager but since this is Class-D, and I have a Private Pilot rating, plus I talk to the tower, they can't stop it.  Smiley
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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2009 at 6:46pm
 
Bob,

You are correct, many don't say no they just keep you locked out. I have learned quite a few tricks as I travel around flying out of unfamilar airports, especially when doing the early morning flying.
First I usually call and ask permission in advance for the gate code stating I am traveling and fly an aircraft with a fold away wing and I would like to get it through the gate. I don't mention it is a PPC. This only works once in a while, but it is worth a try. If I have no luck, I don't get mouthey I just go to plan B.
The personnal gate code is usually something you can figure out like their unicom or runway numbers. If I can't figure it out then I pull out my mirror on a stick. This is an inspection mirror with a telscoping handle that I put through the fence and read the numbers from the inside. They almost always have them written down on the inside of fence. OR
There is almost always a button you can hit on the inside to open the personnal gate, again the inspection mirror will usually show you where it is and many times it is within reach. THEN
Once in that gate any heavy metal object passed over the inside loop will usually open up the large gate. I have found most times there is a shovel or pipe right inside leaning against a wall or under a bush for this very purpose. If not I just carry a tool box in with me and it usually activates the large gate when passed over the loop.

Now all this can be a pain and I don't usually do this. But if I have traveled far and have tried to do it the right way then I will resort to this method and have done so in the past. Surprisingly, I have never had a problem when I was discovered inside the gate. But when asked, I just play stupid and state that I am a pilot and I figured the fence is there to keep out the general public and non-registered folks. I must also add that I do not take the trailer inside the gate, just the machine. The trailer stays in the public parking area unless ok'd.

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Reply #3 - Jul 27th, 2009 at 6:16am
 
That seems to be a good idea but most airports that I have traveled to, both with PPC or in fixed wing, have the gate for the personnel gate (which only a person will fit through), not the vehicle gate. The vehicle gate is protected with a pass key card on the outside that the hanger owners and airport staff have. Some have an access button on the inside (several feet from the gate itself) your can push from your vehicle, and if so, I go through the personnel gate, walk to the vehicle gate, open it and push my PPC through (which is sitting right outside the gate). I have not been questioned at the few airports like this that I have flown PPCs at.

I was at one airport and just landed and the airport manager approached me and asked where I flew in from. I said here, my vehicle is in the parking lot. He asked how I got in the fence and I told him I fly fixed wing also and your gate code is on the sign on the inside of the fence. That left the impression that I had flown fixed wing into the airport at one time and I knew the code. I didn't, I had guessed (the CTAF frequency) and he accepted my answer and didn't question it farther.
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Reply #4 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 11:42am
 
When I first started flying I felt kinda nervous about asking to fly because I just knew they were going to say no. I now know they can't legally say no if its an untowered airport.  I'm a little more comfortable with it now and both of the airports I have called have been very nice.  The airport mgr did want me to stay as far away from the paved runway when I set up as possible.  I have yet to tell him that we are allowed to use the paved runway.  Seth
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Reply #5 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 1:28pm
 
If there is a grass area available, then by all means use the available grass and stay off the paved. Yes, you have a right to the paved but I prefer the grass. Once you become a good pilot there and recognized that you know what you are doing, they will never say anything about using the paved runway.

I always try to stay to the side of the end of the runway and monitor aircraft in the pattern. If there are aircraft in the pattern I may wait a little bit (unless they remain there). I do announce my intentions and tell them where I am and that it will take 15 minutes for me to setup.

I have had a few planes overfly me to land, both after contacting me before hand and asking, or me telling them they could. I find that most pilots are quite comfortable working with you if you act like you know what you are doing and keep them informed.
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Reply #6 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 8:13pm
 
I have a page on my web site dedicated to access issues at public airports. This forum prohibits me to list my web address as a link. So go to airsportadventures (dot com) of course and click the "Access To Public Airport" page. I review public laws, FARs and FAA publications to help you overcome any objections by airport managers. Education is the key!
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